but i'm saying at the brish politicians felt they needed murdoch and his support and reciproally murdoch needed things from them. that never needed to be stated but everyone understood that that was hanging in the air and that's what this judicial inquiry has to get to the bottom of. >> i think murdoch's control of 37% of the britishress plus b sky b led to this conviction from tony blair to cameron that you had to have murdoch on your side. and, you know, when you're in britain you don't feel murdoch's running the show. i mean, you can read "the guardian," you can read t telegraph, you can read t daily expres you can read the f.t. but i just wonder but blair, i'm sure, would have won the election in 1997 without murdoch. it was the end of the toris just as it was the end of new labor in 2010. murdoch had his finger in the wind and he went with these guys but i don't myself bieve e elections uld have come out any differently withou so i think there was a kind of mythology that hadbuilt up. we have to have murdoch with us. and now it's the oosite. we have torash him. >> rose: john burns,